From c5393534ead39db3d89328534151ce7fb279f67f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: distix ticketing system Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:14:08 +0000 Subject: imported mails --- .../cur/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file | 0 .../new/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file | 0 .../Maildir/new/1550412848.M806524P15578Q1.koom | 195 +++++++++++++++++++++ .../tmp/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file | 0 .../7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/ticket.yaml | 6 + 5 files changed, 201 insertions(+) create mode 100644 tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/cur/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file create mode 100644 tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file create mode 100644 tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/1550412848.M806524P15578Q1.koom create mode 100644 tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/tmp/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file create mode 100644 tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/ticket.yaml diff --git a/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/cur/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/cur/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e69de29 diff --git a/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e69de29 diff --git a/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/1550412848.M806524P15578Q1.koom b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/1550412848.M806524P15578Q1.koom new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e93de9a --- /dev/null +++ b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/new/1550412848.M806524P15578Q1.koom @@ -0,0 +1,195 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: distix@pieni.net +Delivered-To: distix@pieni.net +Received: from yaffle.pepperfish.net (yaffle.pepperfish.net [88.99.213.221]) + by pieni.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D215D42FF6 + for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:13:46 +0000 (UTC) +Received: from platypus.pepperfish.net (unknown [10.112.101.20]) + by yaffle.pepperfish.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF11C41CA7; + Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:13:46 +0000 (GMT) +Received: from ip6-localhost.nat ([::1] helo=platypus.pepperfish.net) + by platypus.pepperfish.net with esmtp (Exim 4.80 #2 (Debian)) + id 1gvNCU-00082O-KQ; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:13:46 +0000 +Received: from koom.pieni.net ([88.99.190.206] helo=pieni.net) + by platypus.pepperfish.net with esmtpsa (Exim 4.80 #2 (Debian)) + id 1gvNCT-00082C-Cv + for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:13:45 +0000 +Received: from exolobe1.liw.fi (unknown [194.157.43.230]) + by pieni.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDAC942FF6 + for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:13:44 +0000 (UTC) +Received: from exolobe1.liw.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by exolobe1.liw.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F5D7120B54 + for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 16:13:44 +0200 (EET) +Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 16:13:43 +0200 +From: Lars Wirzenius +To: Ick discussions +Message-ID: <20190217141343.GA13153@exolobe1.liw.fi> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) +X-Pepperfish-Transaction: 158c-1786-233f-696d +X-Pepperfish-Transaction-By: platypus +Subject: Netsurf and Ick +X-BeenThere: ick-discuss@ick.liw.fi +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 +Precedence: list +List-Id: discussions about the ick CI system +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5734649414014469215==" +Mime-version: 1.0 +Sender: ick-discuss-bounces@ick.liw.fi +Errors-To: ick-discuss-bounces@ick.liw.fi + + +--===============5734649414014469215== +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" +Content-Disposition: inline + + +--VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +(Also posted to the Ick blog: +https://ick.liw.fi/blog/2019/02/17/netsurf_and_ick/) + +Netsurf (http://www.netsurf-browser.org/) is a lightweight and +portable web browser. It targets several older operating systems, for +which it is often the only graphical web browser. + +Netsurf is cross-built for many older operating systems which can not +support native build. It is natively built on a number of esoteric +systems for which cross-building is not possible. For some more modern +operating systems, NetSurf is built for several different toolkits and +target kinds, including some pure-test-related builds whose outputs +are coverage reports, test summaries, etc, rather than executable +artifacts. + +NS currently uses Jenkins, but finds it problematic. A particular +problem is that current versions of Jenkins want a version of Java +that is newer than what is supported on some of the systems NS +targets. Jenkins has also proven to be inflexible to use. NS is +interested in replacing Jenkins with Ick, eventually. + +The NetSurf project has sunk a significant amount of effort into +making the older Jenkins fit-for-use, so while replacement is +desirable, there will need to be an easy pathway to transition to Ick, +or to have Ick run alongside Jenkins while jobs are migrated piecemeal +over time. + +Another significant issue with Jenkins for the NetSurf project is that +of configuration management. Jenkins' ability to be configured without +use of its web-UI is, while not limited as such, unpleasant to work +with. Significant security issues surround the JNLAPI and as such, +given the age of the Jenkins in use, NetSurf are unable to automate +configuration management. A feature of Ick which attracts the project +is the possibility of git-based configuration of the CI system. +However, the project does find the web-UI useful from time to time in +order to make small tweaks to configuration (for example when +debugging a CI job). Ick will need to support some configuration +changes through a web-UI (ideally making and pushing git commits +behind the scenes). + +NS is divided into many components, sub-projects, each of which builds +something like a library used by other components. The various +components thus have build dependencies on each other, and if a +dependency changes, any components that build-depend on it need to be +built and tested as well. + +Some components are host-based tools which are consumed by many +downstream variants of component builds. For example, the binding +generator is built for each host (e.g. `x86_64` Linux vs. `i686` +Haiku) and is then consumed by any downstream build running on that +host, regardless of its target (e.g. on `x86_64` Linux, a build of +NetSurf targetting AmigaOS). + +The NS project hosts its own builders, and there is at minimum ssh +access to them. They may need to have each builder run multiple +workers, to use hardware efficiently. The builders are not all +co-located in the same physical location: being frugal with bandwidth +use is a concern. + +All of the builders are linked to a virtual LAN (single broadcast +domain across multiple sites). This means that in situations where +bandwidth is a concern, non-encrypted protocols are considered just as +secure as encrypted ones. While SSH is available to all hosts, some +are perhaps less reliable than others. It would behoove Ick to not +rely on communication purely via SSH if at all possible. Sadly Python +is not necessarily available on all hosts either. A small C-based +agent may be required for maximum flexibility and minimum risk of +TTY/SSH related issues. + +NetSurf has CI notifications routed to a number of targets including +the project IRC channel, a mailing list, and an RSS feed from the +Jenkins. In order for these routes to be useful, NetSurf would find +the ability to construct rules in order to filter and route +notifications very useful indeed. For example, every successful or +failed build should not be notified to IRC, instead only when a job +changes state from success to failure or back. Ensuring that +notifications carry useful semantic information and links will also be +desirable. + +NetSurf makes use of Jenkins' history of builds, allowing the project +to trace non-fatal issues through builds. These link back to the git +repositories at the specific commits built, and this is considered a +critical feature of the UI. + +NetSurf would very much like it if the CI could be easily configured +to deploy branch-based builds in a way which will not confuse artifact +handling, and will allow developers to build a branch across many +repositories in order to simplify the testing of the development of a +new feature which crosses libraries. Such a concept is often referred +to as "system branches". + +It would be best if these builds were not created by default for any +branch, but rather that there was a simple way for a developer to +activate a set of jobs for a branch. Perhaps by adding the branch name +to a configuration in Ick via either the web-UI or via the git +configuration. Or perhaps by pattern of branch name. + +--=20 +I want to build worthwhile things that might last. --joeyh + +--VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- + +iQIzBAABCgAdFiEETNTnrewG6wEE1EJ3bC+mFux6IDEFAlxpbBYACgkQbC+mFux6 +IDHp7g//V0Ygkzhw4EfQd79s/sUL6A3F2oTm8sRQmx577YOsArLNu5E8W4nENdFO +Qd8IZhqN2tQW2vvubhHcPKfwcHNjeTtu4Di/D20xvxFX7xw1d2cr+6JMTBtlBJEP +A7hlovwH//yC6GGi3F6P7k2lP7oOi0lhjWWL5snyCGtIEvMhj8fKpXQNF2jnxoYd +XD0PtT6Yis+q9EEv9C3oy1ffOgS94QEAQiw4STLtruHDK96hDpRmFfVjQXrnSuAH +lbmfgjhs4e8U3RBmijXZB6sGC4m23kLHh/+01vQjAn6Lv6tC9/GY5l5vGBpgjVsR +s3fmrgv2JhATIXSnZVM/Ed9YGrU4FIp94DlLph/tufm49hA9tCh2tlboL+jDBQYU +B7UkNS6+qzDHte2FNcRuEls9SFqnJLa4Y9/0xsjIc1huXyLgI3CzHJfORf55Z2W4 +DSCTaiaTHisibbrHRQdqA++Vr69hyfBcZMpgy2HqSK2kt5veGHCS6FNBLIxMYPNe +ULwpd5fKD3+QStT5KEDFgRQgnOrCrzBBCGiw2pFBt64EUau6Dl5/r8umJJjhhNAX +q3Q50jF0Ys1krG+FV+/7dnhZ36AvbcdzjdFUAkn51tyOGFFYaYvYJ9o/pEyOs0FH +U+qfnlmobk8S3mv0QmixGLucBRqJj/0oiK1+6azkLUhXhUtCavE= +=spdc +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- + + +--===============5734649414014469215== +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: inline + +_______________________________________________ +ick-discuss mailing list +ick-discuss@ick.liw.fi +https://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ick-discuss-ick.liw.fi + +--===============5734649414014469215==-- + diff --git a/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/tmp/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/Maildir/tmp/.this-dir-not-empty/.empty/empty-file new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e69de29 diff --git a/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/ticket.yaml b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/ticket.yaml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..c6ae0d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/tickets/7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f/ticket.yaml @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +status: +- open +ticket-id: +- 7031189601584dfdb42e0528c874e24f +title: +- Netsurf and Ick -- cgit v1.2.1