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Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:01:22 -0400 (EDT) +Message-Id: <1502992882.4101217.1076717680.35C833C0@webmail.messagingengine.com> +From: Biltong +To: Obnam support +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" +X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-21c69044 +Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:01:22 +0200 +References: <20170813184758.hbel3jxgultskktu@liw.fi> +In-Reply-To: <20170813184758.hbel3jxgultskktu@liw.fi> +X-Pepperfish-Transaction: e5e5-e74f-6ae0-cc1b +X-Spam-Score: -0.3 +X-Spam-Score-int: -2 +X-Spam-Bar: / +X-Scanned-By: pepperfish.net, Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:01:31 +0100 +X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-0.3 points) + pts rule name description + ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- + -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) + [66.111.4.25 listed in wl.mailspike.net] + -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low + trust [66.111.4.25 listed in list.dnswl.org] + 0.2 PPF_XMAILER_WEBMAIL Contains 'webmail' in the X-Mailer header + 1.0 PPF_FROM_CONTAINS_MAIL The From header contains 'mail' + 1.2 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider + (biltong[at]fastmail.fm) + -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% + [score: 0.0000] + -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature + 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, + not necessarily valid + -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's + domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders +X-ACL-Warn: message may be spam +X-Scan-Signature: 628176fcdd9644272857e68213d136c4 +Subject: Re: [obnam-announce] Retiring Obnam +X-BeenThere: obnam-support@obnam.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Obnam backup software discussion +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +Sender: obnam-support-bounces@obnam.org +Errors-To: obnam-support-bounces@obnam.org + +Thanks for your hard work Lars. obnam is a great tool, and you have +inspired other great tools. + +-- + Biltong + biltong@fastmail.fm + +On Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 08:47 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: +> This is a difficult announcement to write. The summary is that you +> should switch to another backup program in the coming months. +> +> The first commit to Obnam's current code base is this: +> +> commit 7eaf5a44534ffa7f9c0b9a4e9ee98d312f2fcb14 +> Author: Lars Wirzenius +> Date: Wed Sep 6 18:35:52 2006 +0300 +> +> Initial commit. +> +> It's followed by over 5200 more commits until the latest one, which is +> from yesterday. The NEWS file contains 58 releases. There are 20761 +> lines of Python, 15384 words in the English language manual, with +> translations in German and French. The yarn test suite, which is a +> kind of a manual, is another 13382 words in English and +> pseudo-English. That's a fair bit of code and prose. Not all of it +> mine, I've had help from some wonderful people. But most of it mine. +> +> I wrote all of that because backups were fun. It was pleasing to use +> my own program to guarantee the safety of my own data. The technical +> challenges of implmenting the kind of backup program I wanted were +> interesting, and solving interesting problems is a big part of why +> I am a programmer. +> +> Obnam has a kind user base. It's not a large user base: the Debian +> "popularity contest" service estimates it at around 500. But it's a +> user base that is kind and has treated me well. I have tried to +> reciprocate. +> +> Unfortunately, I have not had fun while developing Obnam for some time +> now. This has changed. A few years ago, I lived in Manchester, UK, and +> commuted by train to work. It was a short train ride, about 15 +> minutes. At times I would sit on the floor with my laptop on my knees, +> writing code or the manual. Back then Obnam was a lot of fun. I was +> excited, and enthusiastic. +> +> In the past two years or so, I've not been able to feel that +> excitement again. My native language, Finnish, has an expression +> describing unpleasant tasks: something is as much fun as drinking tar. +> That describes Obnam in recent years for me. +> +> Obnam has not turned out well, from a maintainability point of view. +> It seems that every time I try to fix something, I break something +> else. Usuaully what breaks is speed or memory use: Obnam gets slower +> or starts using even more memory. +> +> For several years now I've been working on a new repository format for +> Obnam, code names GREEN ALBATROSS. It was meant to solve Obnam's +> problems as far as extensibility, performance, and resource use were +> concerned. It seems to have failed. +> +> I'm afraid I've had enough. I'm going to retire Obnam as a project and +> as a program, and move on to doing something else, so I can feel +> excitement and pleasure again. +> +> After some careful thought, I fear that the maintainability problems +> of Obnam can realistically only be solved by a complete rewrite from +> scratch, and I'm not up to doing that. +> +> If you use Obnam, you should migrate to some other backup solution. +> Don't worry, you have until the end of the year. I will be around and +> I intend to fix any serious bugs in Obnam; in particular, security +> flaws. But you should start looking for a replacement sooner rather +> than later. +> +> I will be asking Obnam to be removed from the Debian unstable and +> testing branches. The next Debian release (buster, Debian 10) won't +> include Obnam. +> +> The Obnam mailing lists are kindly hosted by Daniel Silverstone, and +> they will remain, but later this year I will change them to be +> moderated. The Obnam git repository will remain. The web site will +> remain, but I will add a note that Obnam is no longer maintained. +> Other Obnam online resources may disappear. +> +> If you would like to take over the Obnam project, and try to resolve +> the various issues, please contact me to discuss that. +> +> Thank you, and may you never need to restore. +> _______________________________________________ +> obnam-announce mailing list +> obnam-announce@obnam.org +> http://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/obnam-announce-obnam.org +> Email had 1 attachment: +> + signature.asc +> 1k (application/pgp-signature) + +-- +http://www.fastmail.com - IMAP accessible web-mail + + +_______________________________________________ +obnam-support mailing list +obnam-support@obnam.org +http://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/obnam-support-obnam.org -- cgit v1.2.1