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+From: Jan Niggemann <jn@hz6.de>
+To: Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi>
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+Subject: Re: [PATCH] adds fr to clean target
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+Zitat von Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi>:
+> Sorry, a bit of a rant: this is one of my pet peeves with the way
+> people write Makefiles (or tutorials for Make).
+No need to be sorry, you just taught me something I didn't consider  
+before and that's good.
+
+> I'm happy to merge a simpler patch that just adds fr. (Though, some
+> day, I will get rid of clean targets in my Makefiles and just use git
+> clean.)
+OK, I'll send a new patch for the time being.
+
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+Zitat von Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi>:
+> Sorry, a bit of a rant: this is one of my pet peeves with the way
+> people write Makefiles (or tutorials for Make).
+No need to be sorry, you just taught me something I didn't consider  
+before and that's good.
+
+> I'm happy to merge a simpler patch that just adds fr. (Though, some
+> day, I will get rid of clean targets in my Makefiles and just use git
+> clean.)
+OK, I'll send a new patch for the time being.
+
+_______________________________________________
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+On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 04:39:24PM +0100, Jan Niggemann wrote:
+> Also prepends the targets with a minus sign to continue even if a target fails
+> (http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/makefiles.html)
+
+I'm going to reject that part of the patch. It's bad practice to
+prepend the minus sign to rm commands to avoid them failing when the
+file being removed doesn't exist. The prepended minus tells Make to
+ignore _any_ failure, including failure because an option is wrong, or
+the command doesn't exist. In those cases, you _want_ the command to
+fail and Make to stop executing any more commands, 'cause the rule
+wasn't doing what you thought it was doing.
+
+The -f option to rm already makes rm not fail even if any of the files
+it is told to remove are missing. The prepended minus in the Makefile
+does nothing useful here.
+
+Sorry, a bit of a rant: this is one of my pet peeves with the way
+people write Makefiles (or tutorials for Make).
+
+I'm happy to merge a simpler patch that just adds fr. (Though, some
+day, I will get rid of clean targets in my Makefiles and just use git
+clean.)
+
+-- 
+Happiness is a tested backup.
+
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+From: Jan Niggemann <jn@hz6.de>
+To: obnam-dev@obnam.org
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+Also prepends the targets with a minus sign to continue even if a target fails
+(http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/makefiles.html)
+
+---
+ manual/Makefile |    5 +++--
+ 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/manual/Makefile b/manual/Makefile
+index 805a596..7f19457 100644
+--- a/manual/Makefile
++++ b/manual/Makefile
+@@ -59,5 +59,6 @@ obnam-manual.de.html: Makefile $(de_sources) ../obnam.css
+ 		$(de_sources)
+ 
+ clean:
+-	rm -f $(outputs) en/000.mdwn
+-	rm -f $(outputs) de/000.mdwn
++	-rm -f $(outputs) en/000.mdwn
++	-rm -f $(outputs) de/000.mdwn
++	-rm -f $(outputs) fr/000.mdwn
+-- 
+1.7.10.4
+
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+obnam-dev@obnam.org
+http://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/obnam-dev-obnam.org
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+title:
+- 'Re: [PATCH] adds fr to clean target'