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+2016-07-11 13:41 EDT, Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi>:
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+> Why drop cliapp from the setup.py file? What problem does this solve?
+> cliapp needs to be installed anyway, since obnamlib imports it.
+>
+
+The problem is that setuptools will not install the dependencies before it
+reaches the setup() function call that tells it what they are. If you
+import/use cliapp before that, the script will never reach it.
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+ing-left:1ex">Why drop cliapp from the setup.py file? What problem does thi=
+s solve?<br>
+cliapp needs to be installed anyway, since obnamlib imports it.<span class=
+=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">The p=
+roblem is that setuptools will not install the dependencies before it reach=
+es the setup() function call that tells it what they are. If you import/use=
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+2016-07-11 13:45 EDT, Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi>:
+
+> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:31:41AM -0400, Remi Rampin wrote:
+> > -from distutils.core import setup, Extension
+> > +from setuptools import setup, Extension
+>
+> Can you explain why using setuptools instead of distutils? Let's
+> assume I am quite ignorant about PyPI and pip and the various Python
+> attemmpts at build tools.
+>
+
+setuptools has become a standard for Python packages and if people have pip
+installed, you can assume they have setuptools. In particular, setuptools
+is recommended by the Packaging User Guide [1].
+
+> +os.chdir(os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__)))
+>
+> Why is this line needed?
+>
+
+If running the setup.py script from another working directory (pip install
+doesn't do that, but when using -e or calling it manually it can happen),
+the installation will fail. I just put this in all the time. Else you would
+have to fix all the subprocess calls and file opens to compute the correct
+path (i.e. calling git-ls-files, opening files in generate_troff...)
+
+You said the larch name has been taken by another project in PyPI. I
+> assume that means the above reference to larch needs to be changed.
+>
+> Which reminds me: I guess this Obnam PyPi/pip preparation isn't really
+> useful until the dependencies are on PyPI already?
+
+
+Yes, all of the dependencies would have to be put there. I didn't rename
+larch yet because I didn't know what to rename it to (larch is taken [2]
+but not python-larch, ...)
+
+[1]: https://packaging.python.org/current/#packaging-tool-recommendations
+[2]: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/larch
+
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+<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016=
+-07-11 13:45 EDT, Lars Wirzenius <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:li=
+w@liw.fi" target=3D"_blank">liw@liw.fi</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=
+=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
+rder-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
+<span class=3D"">On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:31:41AM -0400, Remi Rampin wrot=
+e:<br>
+&gt; -from distutils.core import setup, Extension<br>
+&gt; +from setuptools import setup, Extension<br>
+<br>
+</span>Can you explain why using setuptools instead of distutils? Let&#39;s=
+<br>
+assume I am quite ignorant about PyPI and pip and the various Python<br>
+attemmpts at build tools.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>setuptools ha=
+s become a standard for Python packages and if people have pip installed, y=
+ou can assume they have setuptools. In particular, setuptools is recommende=
+d by the Packaging User Guide [1].</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D=
+"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;borde=
+r-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt=
+; +os.chdir(os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__)))<br>
+<br>
+Why is this line needed?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If running the=
+ setup.py script from another working directory (pip install doesn&#39;t do=
+ that, but when using -e or calling it manually it can happen), the install=
+ation will fail. I just put this in all the time. Else you would have to fi=
+x all the subprocess calls and file opens to compute the correct path (i.e.=
+ calling git-ls-files, opening files in generate_troff...)</div><div><br></=
+div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
+der-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,20=
+4);padding-left:1ex">You said the larch name has been taken by another proj=
+ect in PyPI. I<br>
+assume that means the above reference to larch needs to be changed.<br>
+<br>
+Which reminds me: I guess this Obnam PyPi/pip preparation isn&#39;t really<=
+br>
+useful until the dependencies are on PyPI already?</blockquote><div><br></d=
+iv><div>Yes, all of the dependencies would have to be put there. I didn&#39=
+;t rename larch yet because I didn&#39;t know what to rename it to (larch i=
+s taken [2] but not python-larch, ...)</div></div><br></div><div class=3D"g=
+mail_extra">[1]:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://packaging.python.org/current/#pack=
+aging-tool-recommendations">https://packaging.python.org/current/#packaging=
+-tool-recommendations</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">[2]:=C2=A0<a href=
+=3D"https://pypi.python.org/pypi/larch">https://pypi.python.org/pypi/larch<=
+/a></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Be=
+st</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">--=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
+>R=C3=A9mi</div></div>
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